Round Two

I wish I had some great news to report from round two, but I can only write about the truth and the truth is that I just didn’t play all that well again. Before I start the hole by hole description, I have a confession to make. Well, it’s more of an admission than a confession..

Three weeks ago I decided to try out some different drivers. I had only ever hit Nike drivers since teeing one up for the first time mid-November 2011 and I wanted to see what other options were out there. I liked my Nike driver, but it seemed to make sense to me to not just blindly utilize one company, so I picked up a couple others to test out. I ended up liking the feel of one in particular (I’m just going to call it driver X) and decided to give driver X, along with 3-wood X and 3-hybrid X a shot. I knew this tournament was coming up, so I practiced with these three clubs for one solid week, took the week off to camp, and then practiced with these X clubs for another week before this tourney. The results? Well, I don’t want to blame the gear so I will first say that it is the operator that causes the ball to fly, not the stick. That said, I learned from my test-club test that I am sticking with my Nike gear and have already returned the three demo sticks.

With the three X clubs, I was getting a little more distance and there was a romance period of one great round, but my misses have gotten significantly more sporadic than they ever were before.

Honestly, I am not saying this to take the blame off of me. I could have played much better out there and didn’t. It was two rough rounds of demoralizing golf and for every good shot I hit I missed two. I want to be truthful in what was going on and explain what I brought to the show for this two-day tournament. This is all a learning experience and I was curious as to what other gear could potentially do for my game. Now I know that it’s not a new driver that I need, it’s to hit the range and work hard on the one that I have.

1. par 5: Pushed my drive to the left rough and the ball landed in a deep divot. I think I would be able to get a full club on it, so I decided to punch out. Next shot was 188 out and I knew it would be a tough pin placement so hit a 5-iron up to the left-side rough and chipped up to four feet. Knocked in the putt for par. EVEN

2. par 4: 3-wood pushed a little right but bounced over the fairway bunker into the morning thick rough. Was 138 out to an elevated green, but thought I might catch a flyer out of the rough so hit a PW to the front of the green. The ball spun back from the false fronted green to the front edge 40 feet from the pin. My first putt ended up 8 feet short, missed that one and tapped in for a bogey. ONE OVER

3. par 5: Pull hooked the drive deep right into the trees, it took all of us about 4 minutes to find the ball. Punched out with a 7-iron to 260 yards. I made a mental error here in trying to go for the green with a 3-wood. There was too much at risk and I should have laid up, but my golf mind was not awake yet so I tried to kill one down the fairway. It hooked and ended up in the right trees 140 yards out. I hit a 9-iron but failed to see a low lying branch as the shot was directly into the rising sun. The ball hit the branch and fell 50 yards from the green. Hit the green from 50 and then two-putted from 15 feet for a double. THREE OVER

4. par 3: Hit the green from 170 yards and made the 5-foot put for a birdie. TWO OVER

5. par 4: Hit a bunt drive on this short 360 yard par four that actually hit the fairway, this was my only real fairway hit of the day. Had 110 yards remaining and pushed a 52-degree wedge that took a hard left bounce on the green and ended up in a bunker. made a decent sand shot then holed the par putt from 8 feet. TWO OVER

6. par 4: Hooked a drive hard right into the trees. Didn’t have a shot at the green so punched out to 65 yards from the green and hit the approach shot on the right side of the green. Two-putted from 25 feet for a bogey. THREE OVER

7. par 3: Hit the green from 190 yards and then two putted from 20 feet. THREE OVER

8. par 4: Hooked a drive to what I thought was into the water, but the rules official found the ball lying on the edge of a pond. I had a small hole of a line to hit from and landed the ball on the fringe of the green. Two-putted from 25 feet for a par. THREE OVER

9. par 4: Pushed a drive hard left into the first trees, but got lucky it hit a tree and didn’t go OB. Found the ball behind a truck and punched it back onto the fairway. my next shot was 205 out and I decided to go for it over the water to save a stroke. It might not have been the right call, but it worked out for me and I hit the green on the line of the pin and ended up with a 20 foot downhill putt. Made it in two for a bogey. FOUR OVER

Shot a 40 on the front. Was scrambling like crazy from all the horrible tee shot places I had put myself in.

10. par 4: Hooked a 3-wood to the right where the trees blocked the green but decided to try and draw a ball around the trees from 160 yards and executed it well, landing the ball on the back of the green. Made it in two putts from 30 feet out for the par. FOUR OVER

11. par 3: Pulled the 4-hybrid a little into the green side bunker. Didn’t have much green to work with and tried to baby the ball out of the sand. It landed on the fringe and stuck there. Two putted from 10 feet for a bogey. FIVE OVER

12. par 4: Hit a decent drive, but it worked too much and ended up in thick rough with the line blocked by a tree. I punched out to 75 yards and then hit the green right on the line of the pin. I thought it was going to roll in for a birdie but just missed and kept on rolling to 15 feet out. I just missed the par putt and tapped in for bogey. SIX OVER

13. par 4: Hit, for me today, a decent drive to 160 out in the rough. Landed the next shot just short of the green and chipped on to 2 feet. Made the par putt. SIX OVER

14. par 5: The exact same thing as yesterday happened.. I pushed the tee shot into the water, took a drop by the pond and had to hit a 7-iron over the water and willow trees to get back to the fairway. From there, I had 210 out an instead of going for it and risking hitting another shot OB like yesterday, I decided to play it safe and lay up to 50 yards. Executed the layup and hit the 50 yarder how I wanted to, but the ball rolled much further right than I was hoping on the green. Had a 20 footer for bogey that I almost knocked in but it was downhill and missed and ended up 8 feet past the cup. Missed the comeback and made the third putt for a triple bogey. NINE OVER

15. par 4: Pulled the tee shot into the trees and had no line so punched out back to the fairway 65 yards out. The ball ended up on the short grass but directly against the long rough and I didn’t get a full club on my approach so it landed just short of the green in rough. Chipped on and made the 3-footer for bogey. TEN OVER

16. par 4: Long hole. Hit a solid drive but pushed it to the left rough where I was blocked by a tree. I had 180 yards left to a tough green and I could either try to slice a ball around the tree or attempt to go under it. I decided to go under and hit a decent 5-iron but it got caught in a bit of rough and didn’t roll out. Hit an approach from 40 yards to where I wanted but it caught the downslope and spun back to the front edge of the green. Had a tough uphill 30 foot double breaker and left if five feet left of the hole. Missed the short putt and tapped it in for a double. TWELVE OVER

17. par 3: I think I was deflated by this point. This hole was playing 140 over some water and it’s usually an easy par or even a birdie. I overcooked a 9-iron and the ball bounced on the side of the green and into the water. I took a drop and hit a 52-degree to 20 feet and two putted for a double. FOURTEEN OVER

18. par 4: pushed a drive into the trees, knocked out with a 7-iron to 80 yards and stuck the green 7 feet from the pin. Missed the downhill tap of a putt and then finished the round by hitting in the bogey putt. FIFTEEN OVER

That was the round. Slightly better than yesterday as I only had one triple and more pars, as well as one birdie, but it’s really hard to score on a tight tree-lined course when you only hit one fairway. Again, I take full responsibility and blame for missing all my tee shots and know that I have a lot of work to do with the long sticks. It is good to know, though, that it is the indian, not the arrow, causing the errors.

These tournaments provide a ton of insight into your strengths and weaknesses. It’s obvious to me that what I need to work on the most is exactly what I have worked on the least throughout The Dan Plan. The longer the stick, the less experience I have with it and the more erratic it is. A couple of days ago, my coach and I were talking about what to focus on this winter and we both agreed that tee shots will be a large part of my mechanics practice over the off season. It’s been ten months today since I first hit a driver and I have come a long way, but have a mountain of work ahead of me with that stick. Just like in Yosemite, it’s one step at a time.

However disappointing and demoralizing these two rounds were, they were priceless experiences and ultimately just steps in the right direction.

I just signed up for the Forest Hills Amateur, a two day tournament on September 22-23. Going to go back to my old driver and work hard with it for the next ten days. I’m glad there’s another tournament just down the street and can’t wait for another chance to compete!

UPDATE: Just got the results for the first two days. The leader is Bill Winters (who just won the CECC Men’s club championship a month ago) at +5 for two rounds. The cut was at +24, 165 for the combined days. I shot +35, 177 to place in 91st out of 104 players.

38 Responses to "Round Two"

will m says:

September 12, 2012 at 4:32 pm

Dan,
gotta say, after playing golf for as long as you have you just cant shoot 91 86, there is no chance than in a few years you are even close to winning a womens high school state championship let alone making the pga tour. I know this is harsh as heck but for the sake of your psyche become a really good golf photographer and get down to a scratch. at the cecc club championship the course was playing just as hard or harder I am told and guys who sell mortgages for a living were shooting 25 strokes better than you, 25 freaking strokes…. sorry dan I have enjoyed the journey but this shows you like many have said that practice is practice and we can all be great on the range or out by ourselves playing, the rubber met the road and you got some road rash.
Jari says:

September 12, 2012 at 4:35 pm

Learning, learning, learning… Tournament golf shows you sides of golf you dont find when playing recreational golf. Remember when I told you, sometime ago, that tournament golf and golf are two totally different things? You didnt believe me then It’ll get even harder, but you’re learning! And that’s great!
Hey, did your X driver etc have “stock shafts” or were they fitted for you like the Nike ones? If not, please let that be you last time when you choose a club from the rack. You take this seriously, so take your equipment seriously, too. Just a friendly advise from a Master Club Fitter!
Joe says:

September 12, 2012 at 5:24 pm

Don’t get demoralized, and don’t listen to the “haters”. Everything you do is an experiment and a learning experience. The “worst” experiences can be the best teachers, if you allow yourself to learn the lesson. You are doing GREAT, and I am very proud of you. You keep right on doing your best with what the course gives you, and you are guaranteed to improve. Whether you are moving straight forward every step of the way or not, great things will happen as long as you keep placing “new steps of change” in a forward direction.
Griff says:

September 12, 2012 at 5:55 pm

Dan -

I disagree with the first comment, and I know you do, too. Even harder than having to endure tough days on the course will be enduring the scrutiny that will undoubtedly come your way because of this public journey. Congrats not only on the steps in the right direction, but for having the courage to keep plodding away.

P.S. – Of course the mortgage brokers are scratch golfers – they sure as hell aren’t working any more these days.
Charlie says:

September 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm

Anyone who has been following my comments – and that may be limited to Dan himself – may have deduced that I’m unsure of whether Dan will reach his destination, but I’m confident that the point of the experiment is the journey. And even though (I’ve said this several times) he will ultimately offer us only one data point, THAT data point alone will reveal some fascinating things.

Also, I think this tournament will motivate Dan as much as anything that’s happened in the first 3000 hours, and this fall and winter he’ll be working even harder and more purposefully on the range than he has in the past 12 months.
THD says:

September 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm

Dan, I am a successful junior golfer and I will be playing D1 golf next year. I wanted to say that for me, it took a fair bit of tournament experience to sort of break through and shoot the same scores in competition that I did recreationally. Soon you will have that breakthrough, the best thing you can do is just keep playing tournaments. I am a huge fan, and I cannot wait to see what the future holds for you!

Pars and Birdies,

-THD
Richard Chen says:

September 12, 2012 at 7:01 pm

To see how much the new clubs, which appears to have too wippy shafts, costed, replaying the course with the old set may show the difference.

However, viewing the videos of the swing in the section “Swing Analysis” of 7/16/12, it may appear that the shoulders are opening up slightly too early in the downswing. At the point of the downswing of the beginning of the final phase of the release, where the hands have swung down about in front of rear leg with the club shaft horizontal and parallel with the ground, the shoulders appear to be somewhat opened (ie. facing somewhat toward the target) rather than to be slightly closed (ie. shoulders facing somewhat away from the target.) With the shoulders open at the stage of the beginning of the final release, the rear shoulder (ie. left shoulder for a left handed player) will have turned closer to the ball, than if the rear shoulder is still in the square position, or in the slightly closed position, which further increase the distance of the rear shoulder from the ball. With the rear shoulder turned closer to the ball at the start of the final release phase, there is less room to perform, and to complete the final release, thus promoting pushing the shot. If the shoulders are square at the beginning of the final release, there will be more room to complete the release. If the shoulders are slightly closed at the beginning of the final release, there will be even more “room” to complete the final release with the arms and hands to avoid pushing the ball from a late hit. Late hits are alright, if not actually desirable, for iron shots, but cause problems for driving.

When the shoulders are open at the start of the final release, risk is increased for pulling the shot (besides increasing the risk of pushing from less room) as the shoulders are pointing more to the direction of the pull.
Richard Chen says:

September 12, 2012 at 7:01 pm

To see how much the new clubs, which appears to have too wippy shafts, costed, replaying the course with the old set may show the difference.

However, viewing the videos of the swing in the section “Swing Analysis” of 7/16/12, it may appear that the shoulders are opening up slightly too early in the downswing. At the point of the downswing of the beginning of the final phase of the release, where the hands have swung down about in front of rear leg with the club shaft horizontal and parallel with the ground, the shoulders appear to be somewhat opened (ie. facing somewhat toward the target) rather than to be slightly closed (ie. shoulders facing somewhat away from the target.) With the shoulders open at the stage of the beginning of the final release, the rear shoulder (ie. left shoulder for a left handed player) will have turned closer to the ball, than if the rear shoulder is still in the square position, or in the slightly closed position, which further increase the distance of the rear shoulder from the ball. With the rear shoulder turned closer to the ball at the start of the final release phase, there is less room to perform, and to complete the final release, thus promoting pushing the shot. If the shoulders are square at the beginning of the final release, there will be more room to complete the release. If the shoulders are slightly closed at the beginning of the final release, there will be even more “room” to complete the final release with the arms and hands to avoid pushing the ball from a late hit. Late hits are alright, if not actually desirable, for iron shots, but cause problems for driving.

When the shoulders are open at the start of the final release, risk is increased for pulling the shot (besides increasing the risk of pushing from less room) as the shoulders are pointing more to the direction of the pull.
williamevanl says:

September 12, 2012 at 7:04 pm

“no chance than in a few years you are even close to winning a womens high school state championship let alone making the pga tour.”

hahahhahahaha. But seriously they are really good, the state champ high-school girl golfers. They can shoot under par!
Double Bogey says:

September 12, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Dan,

Keep the faith–really enjoy the blog. I’m a ex college basketball player that picked up golf three years ago, and I’ve faced many of the same struggles you’re going through…any chance the driver “x” you used was a slightly lower loft than your Nike club? I took the chance of lowering the loft slightly, and had excellent results on the range, and practice rounds, but when it came to pressure rounds, especially in windy conditions, it exaggerated every swing flaw I had. You played tournament golf, and that is a whole different animal than casual rounds where low to mid 80′s are easy to achieve. Good job of being brave and taking us on your journey!
dan says:

September 12, 2012 at 7:21 pm

Hi Double Bogey,

Why yes, it was less loft. It was a 9-degree and I just switched it on the range a couple of days ago to “lower” on the shaft because it felt creaky, as in it literally felt like it was moving when you twisted the head. The lower setting was -1.5 degrees, so it was playing as a 7.5 degree face where my Nike is a 9.5. Great on the range, but whipping all over the place during this tourney. Lesson learned there.

Thanks!
Dan
dan says:

September 12, 2012 at 7:24 pm

Hi THD,

Thanks for following along and good luck in D1 next year!

Experience is the golden ticket. Life is all about learning and getting right back on that horse when you fall off (to speak in a complete cliché) and that is what I intend to do. In all three tournaments I have played I have learned a lot and as Charlie mentioned, these moments are what drives us to improve. There is a long winter coming and I know that the taste of the past two days will not be out of my mouth until I improve, compete and win.

Enjoy it and hit them straight,

Dan
dan says:

September 12, 2012 at 7:26 pm

Hi Griff and Joe,

Thanks for that. I really appreciate the support and you following along.

Take care,

Dan
dan says:

September 12, 2012 at 7:29 pm

Jari,

The driver was the most similar shaft to my Nike that we could find and the 3-wood/3-hybrid were stock “stiff” shafts. Definitely not fit for me and I changed the driver to a lower setting two days before the tourney. Very bad move. It was just an experiment to see how other gear performed as I had only ever used Nike and I was curious and wanted to test it not just in practice but when it mattered. I am, again, not blaming the gear, but am glad for the learning experience.

Let’s tee it up soon!

Dan
jack says:

September 12, 2012 at 7:36 pm

Richard Chen,
To put it politely, please stop putting your “expert insight” into these comments. Dan has his own instructor i am sure knows what he is doing as much as you do
jack says:

September 12, 2012 at 8:09 pm

Dan,
I have one piece of advice for you. I am currently in college and trying to walk on to my team and eventually play on tour. my instructor is a top 50 golf digest instructor and his biggest piece of advice to me was that when he talked to PGA tour players about what helped them to improve when they grew up was playing with players that were better than them as much as possible. He told me that its ok to go around with your buddies who shoot 85 every once in a while but if i wanted to get better the best way is to play with better players and work hard.
keep it up
jack
Richard Chen says:

September 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm

Jack

Politely, when Dan tells me to stop, I will stop, as this is his blog. Politely, you are not the owner of the blog. I don’t claim to be an expert in the regular golf professional sense; however, I have formal training in engineering to bring added view points from formal scientific, and geometry angles. Besides the human elements, golf must conform to the laws of physics as well as the principles of geometry. These can provide short cuts to both quicker understanding of what produces great shots, and how to achieve them quicker. Many things in this area are new and not well known to the golfing world. These may provide an extra edge to those with an open mind, and can understand them to get ahead of others who plays much longer like some since they are babies and young kids.
Constantine says:

September 12, 2012 at 9:49 pm

Sounds like you are swinging way too much from the inside, Dan. I noticed you roll your forearms quite a bit on the backswing and then don’t have enough hip slide on the downswing.

You probably not Ricky Fowler’s takeaway before you start rolling your right forearm on the backswing. Then you need to slide your hips toward your target to being the downswing — I remember saying you were trying to not hip slide. It’s one of the reasons you are probably spraying tee shots.

Just trying to help. You may need a new full swing instructor.
Constantine says:

September 12, 2012 at 9:51 pm

“You probably NEED Ricky Fowler’s takeaway….” Misprint. Sorry.
Constantine says:

September 12, 2012 at 9:52 pm

Oh and I’m certainly not offering my services as a swing instructor. I’d just google Hip Slide Golf or something and check that out.

Thesandtrap.com has a really good thread on his with pictures to prove its point that hip slide is what all good players do.
twoputt says:

September 13, 2012 at 1:03 am

Hi Dan!
Following you from Norway. Love your blog and what you’re doing. Its many golfers dream to be able to have our own ” Dan Plan”. Living the dream through you now. Keep up the good work and dont let this get you down!
MA says:

September 13, 2012 at 3:37 am

Hello Dan

I am not a hater but it’s too obvious that X stands for TM Rbz and I think that if you sincerely wished to leave the identity of driver, fairway and hybrid X unknown you shouldn’t have gotten into such specific details.

Still wish you luck and will keep cheering you on from afar.

MA
Ben says:

September 13, 2012 at 4:44 am

Don’t sweat the result Dan. I’ve been quietly following you for nearly the whole Plan, and I think you’re going fantastically well.

I can relate this to my own experience in bridge. When I first started playing tournaments, I came dead last in a low-level tourney with one of the worst scores you’ll ever see. Fast-forward 20 years and I’ve won a swag of national championships, several international championships, a world championship bronze medal, and I’m a World Master.

I make mistakes every time I play – but I make fewer than almost everyone I ever play against. The same is true of top performers in any sport. I try to learn from every mistake I make, but I don’t beat myself up about them.

Focus on learning and improving and staying positive and you’ll be fine. Most important of all – love the game.
phil says:

September 13, 2012 at 5:42 am

experience was the most important thing in this tounrney not the outcome now you’ll feel more relaxed and be able to play your natural game in future tournaments. ignore the arm chair swing coaches stick to whats been working
Jari says:

September 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm

Dan – Yes, let’s tee it up, soon! Now that I have my new shop open in Oregon City, I only have time to play on Sundays.
You should come to check out my shop, too! The X Golf simulator is here now.
Enjoy the weather!
Tim says:

September 13, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Hey Dan,

don’t worry.
Golf is nothing but mind games. So it was allways clear this would happen sooner or later.
You seem to be cool-headed guy. So stick to your strength and try no to torture yourself…
Better your learn that at an early point of your golf career…
Analyse your weakest links and work on them as you allways do.

Best wishes from old Germany

Tim
Richard Chen says:

September 14, 2012 at 6:09 am

Video seems to show left heel in Driving is almost vertically off the ground (for left hander,) while slow motion sequences of Woods show right heel no more than half way up to vertical. This allows the right shoulder (for a right hander) to stay back, and to allow the right shoulder to turn downwards more than turn flatly outward for the Driver.
Dirk says:

September 14, 2012 at 8:46 am

Hey Dan! I changed my Driver too and I need 4 weeks to understand how to play it without horrible slices! And I practise every day like you. It was only a little thing in the setup, only 3 inches, but this three inches make the difference between good and bad shots. Your tournament results are typical for bad tee shot rounds. Good and solid tee shots are THE importand things to play good golf. However, forget it, concentrate on tee shots and go on with your plan.
Richard Chen says:

September 14, 2012 at 10:49 am

One of the keys to distance is to keep the upper body behind the ball on the downswing according to the book “Tiger Woods How I Play Golf” page 161 for the Driver. In this book between the next two pages, this is a very nice two page fold out of the Driver slow motion swing sequences from three angles: front, back and top views.

From a physics point of view, Woods tend to swing his arms somewhat far away from his body going through the release. Hogan advocates having the arms tighter to the body. Nicklaus has his arms away from the body specially during the backswing with the so call flying right elbow, except at the last part of the release, when his body straightens upwards to have his arms close to the body just before impact, as shown in his video tape “Golf My Way – The Full Swing,” which has some really ultra slow motion videos from four angles. According to the physics law of the Conservation of Angular Momentum, bringing the arms into the body will automatically speed up the body rotation (like a figure skater pulling the arms into the body to speed up a spin to tremendous speeds) even at the last moment just before impact.

The fundamental difference between the teed up Diver, and the irons is that the release is completed behind the ball for the Driver, and the release is completed in front of the ball for the irons.

At impact, the club shaft is mostly “vertical” as as the ball is hit, while the club shaft of an iron is slanted forward as the ball is contacted.

By “vertical” it is meant that the hands are even with the back of the ball with the clubface contacting the back of the ball forming a line that is not “slanted” as view from the player.

For the Driver shot, the top of the club handle is pulled up and in by the left side (for a right hander) around the inside of the leading leg, while the top of the club handle is pulled up and in around the outer side of the leading leg.
Bernhard says:

September 14, 2012 at 2:10 pm

Hey Dan,

it’s the first multi-round tournament, so it’s gonna loom large for a while on the discussion boards and potentially for you, since I noticed in the blog post that you were talking about an “admission” as if something momentous happened. In a season or two when you’ve played a bunch of tournaments, it’ll be much easier to see whether a performance over a two-day stretch like this tournament is representative or an outlier. The value of this tournament, specifically, is that you’re getting experience, not that you shot this or that score. Anyway, good luck on the next ones.
b.
dan says:

September 15, 2012 at 8:12 am

Bernhard,
Thank you, that makes complete sense to me. I appreciate the comment. It is a bit surprising that people would just to such harsh conclusions after one two-day tournament. I definitely gained some experience from this one and have a bit more knowledge to bring to the next tourney.

Cheers,
Dan
dan says:

September 15, 2012 at 8:13 am

Hi Dirk,
It’s amazing how a small fix can make such a huge difference. Glad you found out what works for you and thank you for the comment,

Dan
dan says:

September 15, 2012 at 8:14 am

Tim,
Hello to Germany! I’m trying my hardest to let the experience be water under the bridge. I’ve learned a lot and am ready to move on to the next one!

Have a great day,
Dan
dan says:

September 15, 2012 at 8:15 am

Hi Jari,
I would love to come check out your new shop. Not sure when, but let’s plan on meeting up down there soon.

We should play the simulator when the rains start to return here, too.
Dan
dan says:

September 15, 2012 at 8:21 am

Hi Ben,
That’s great to know. Bridge is a very demanding and competitive game and if you pushed through after those first experiences that is great. I’m learning from each mistake along the way and didn’t repeat what I deemed a “mistake” from my first tournament back in April. Next time around I will have more in my experience arsenal and will continue to move forward.
Thank you,
Dan
dan says:

September 15, 2012 at 8:22 am

Phil,
Definitely ignoring the arm chair coaches and negative commenters.

Thanks!
Dan
dan says:

September 15, 2012 at 8:24 am

Hi Twoputt,

Greetings to Norway! Thank you for following along and for the comment
Dan
dan says:

September 15, 2012 at 8:26 am

Hi Jack,
I try and almost always play with better golfers than myself. I agree that it pushes you to become better both by seeing them play and by wanting to compete on their level. The golfers I usually play with are scratch or near that level. On occasion I do play with high handicap golfers, but that is the exception, not the norm.

Thanks for the input,
Dan

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